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StunTheMullet says...

@ Stellenbosched2 - I think the Europeans would be far better placed to provide the alcohol rather than the distilled rats urine that passes for beer in Convictland.

It could be a best of breed allocation with wine to France and beer and spirits to eastern block countries (i.e. Romania, Georgia and Russia).

It needs to be kept simple for the Convicts where they can just provide the BBQ facilities in the car park and hand out the esky's.

Posted 01:19 22nd June 2012

BokkeJ says...

@JayStarr - some excellent comments and I do agree with you ... except for 1 thing. You said the NH dont play the SH enough. Nowadays we usually play 6 games each, per year, cross-hemisphere! 3 in June and 3 in Nov. That's as many games as a TriNations season. I don't think the issue is amount of rugby played, I think this mind set is instilled at an early age in the NH.

Posted 15:16 21st June 2012

objetive says...

Boks took their foot off the peddle. There was always only one winner.

Posted 14:17 21st June 2012

blametheref says...

@JayStarr

Think you nailed it correctly with your comments about NH v SH

Posted 18:57 20th June 2012

melkdave says...

@BigRugbyBalls

LOL waited till now to congraulate you lol,ill have to be faster next time wont i lol.

Posted 16:42 20th June 2012

BokkeJ says...

Ok ok, so perhaps it was entirely accurate to call 2011 SA's worst and Wales best, I just meant that quarerfinals for SA is our equal worst (along with 2003) and Semis is Wales equal best (along with 1987 which doesnt count - its not a "World Cup" without one of the tops teams). But if Magic_Dragon feels it neccessary to point out his fantastic FACT that Wale made it further than SA, then I can point out a few facts too. My favourites FACTS are:

- Head-to-head: SA vs Wales: 24 Wins, 1 Draw, 1 loss.

- Largest winning margin for SA: 83.

- Largest winning margin for Wales: 10.

- Top World cup results SA: 2 x champs

- Top World cup results for Wales: 3rd place in 1987 (which still doesnt count!)

I do still love Wales though. I might move there one day! :-)

Posted 15:32 20th June 2012

sandal says...

@BokkeJ

Further to what Dr Death said, and in support of magic_dragon (whom I rather admire in taking on the Bok and English nations), 2011 was not the Boks' worst World Cup. That would be 2003, when South Africa lost 25-6 to England in pool play and 29-9 to New Zealand in the quarterfinals. All that after freezing their nuts off in some boot camp. I'm sure you remember that now.

You might also pay Wales greater deference in recognition of the Boks' special relationship with referee Derek Bevan.

And acknowledge that neither the Boks nor anyone else got food poisoning before meeting Wales on their home soil.

Oh dear. Now I'm simply being puerile.

Posted 06:57 20th June 2012

Stellenbosched2 says...

In the spirit of reconciliation I would like to arrange a rugby match involving most of the worlds leading rugby countries. You are welcome to mix and match as you wish, but be careful of the results:

- Boks vs AB's will be the actual match

- played at the Millennium Stadium filled with Welsh spectators singing their anthem

- all officials to be English

- Irish to provide pre and post match music, including all snippets on the PA

- the commentators will be Scottish (love their accent)

- all security and crowd control will be done by the Italians, in nice big black uniforms with lots of medals

- all meat to be cooked will be supplied by the Argentinians

- French chefs will cater

- all alcohol will be supplied by the Aussies

- Biltong and other dried meats and snacks will be allocated to Namibia

- Pacific Nations will provide the medics (with the way they play their doctors must be the best in the world)

- USA and Canada will provide a team of cheerleaders each

- Japan will finance the event plus supply all transport needed

- and lastly, the Zimbabweans will be allowed to invade only one change room during the game, as long as it is not that used by the English officials.

Posted 06:15 20th June 2012

magic_dragon says...

@BokkeJ,try reading back through the comments,all I said was I had an equal dislike of the English and SA rugby teams (no mention of any hate),whats wrong with that? That's hasn't got anything to do with the country or the people,in fact supporters of those teams should take it as a compliment as my dislike stems from being beaten from them so often. It was your compatriot who started with the insults and the cheap shots. And I didn't try claiming any rugby superiority over the Boks,I stated a simple fact,Wales got further than the Bok in the last world cup,FACT. I didn't realise the mighty Bok were so sensitive! Anyway,good luck on Sat.

Posted 16:59 19th June 2012

DrDeath says...

@BokkeJ

RWC 1987, Wales finished third! Which was actually their best result!

Remember it well, even if it was middle of the night and I'm not even Welsh!

Posted 16:36 19th June 2012

JayStarr says...

@ Stellenbosched: I think the biggest difference between SH teams/players and NH teams/players is not their ability (talent, depth, etc.), but their attitude (self-belief, approach to the game, etc.)...

For example, you see the NH teams thinking they can win these games with a penalty kick - because that's what happens in the 6-Nations - so they kick their 3 points... and then NZ takes the ball and goes score a try..! Or when they're 10 points ahead, like Ireland was, they take their foot off the pedal because they're used to that meaning you're halfway to having the game won... while in the SH 10 points is nothing!

Ireland and Wales lost on the weekend because of a lack of attitude - they made stupid mistakes during the game that you won't see from top teams in Super Rugby, and they didn't have the self-belief and attitude to finish NZ and AUS off when they had them on the ropes. I think England played with more attitude than the other two - not a lot of teams would've picked themselves up and come back after what the Boks did to them in the first 30 minutes. Even though the Boks were clearly going to win, England actually believed they could come back - and it's that attitude that will make them a really good team once their young players get some more experience, etc. If Wales played with the attitude they had at the WC, they would've won both games against Australia.

But the problem for the NH is that they don't play against SH opposition enough - so they only get a taste of this level and type of rugby every now and again, instead of being measured against it consistently and being forced to raise their standards, skills, intensity, mentality, etc., such as Super Rugby teams and the tri-nations are consistently forced to do.

So if they're smart, they'll let more of their players come play Super Rugby!

Posted 16:01 19th June 2012

BokkeJ says...

@Magic_dragon ... yup, you hold onto that fact. Well done, you got further than the boks in 2011 world cup. Might I remind you that that was your best and our worst ever result, thanks to a massive upset in Ireland beating Aus? Might I remind you that we beat you in the very same comp? Might I remind you that we are 2 times world champions, and Wale have never even played a final? Might I remind you that Wales have only ever beaten the boks ONCE in all history? ... dude I LOVE Wales and Welsh people (what a beautiful country!), but you're living in a fantasy land if you want to try claim any kind of rugby credentials over the boks!

Posted 14:54 19th June 2012

magic_dragon says...

@Celtictenor,who's being prejudiced? My dislike of a sporting team is no reflection on how I feel about it's supporters or anybody associated with it. I dislike the English rugby team,yet I've met hundreds of english people and got on well with most,if not all of them. Sport is all about rivalries and banter etc. Now,Zambokke referring to the welsh as 'whinging hill hobbits',that sounds a bit more like prejudice to me.

Posted 14:52 19th June 2012

magic_dragon says...

@zambokke,the hill hobbits still went further than the bok in the world cup,regardless of how many games we lost,all the best.

Posted 13:07 19th June 2012

magic_dragon says...

Due to some sensitive Bok reaction,can I just clarify that I used the word 'dislike' and not 'hate'. I certainly don't hate the Boks,and in fact when they actually concentrate on playing rugby and are in full flow I even admire them.If it's any consolation I dislike all the Tri Nations rugby teams,and yes,it's because I'm sick of losing to them!

Posted 13:02 19th June 2012

jehosophat says...

I don't know how many level headed England supporters expected much more that we have got from this tour. A chance to try some new combinations in one of the toughest two rugby arenas in the world. no silly off the ball headline grabbing antics, and some solid performances with some rugby played, lessons learned, and most importantly of all no miserable thrashings such as England has endured from SA and NZ many times since 2003 was all I hoped for. It has gone slightly better than I feared, so far.

England's 6N performance boosted expectations unfairly, we have to recall this was a side that had had overly conservative coaching for some years and had really come apart at the WC - in fact since the middle of the previous 6N. The cap count is tiny, a lot of the combinations are not yet there, there is little physical edge - a long way to go.

Ireland supporters can't have expected much either. Only Wales, and (poor 6N aside) France had any sort of platform approaching these tours, and neither of them are on amazing form, so no surprise the NH has won out.

Posted 10:00 19th June 2012

bokbokbok says...

Not a big fan of all the NH fans + journalists complaining about the referees over the weekend. Also, I though England were well outplayed in the 2nd match. Finally, I know it was great that Ireland got within three points of the ABs, but if you have a look at the match stats, NZ dominated almost all facets of play. They had ~60% of possesion and territory! I definately think there is a bit of wishful thinking from NH fans that they are even within spitting distance of NZ + SA. Aussie are maybe another story though(?)

Posted 09:28 19th June 2012

Celtictenor says...

@ JayStarr and Stellenbosched. Please don't take magic dragon's prejudices as typical of us Welsh. And, following several great times I have had in Pretoria, Bloem etc etc I would strongly endorse JayStarr's comment - Saffers in general love the Welsh.

And let's support Stellenbosched's attitude - at the end of the day (and at the beginning for that matter), we all love the game.

Posted 08:45 19th June 2012

Stellenbosched2 says...

Hi JayStarr,

Ja, Anderson was trying to annoy South Africans. It's his claim to fame.

As a rugby fan I think too much time is spent on the NH vs SH topic. We all love the same game at the end of the day. Having said that my 2 cents worth on the differences between the hemispheres is that at their best the NH sides are equal to the SH ones. However at their best the SH sides are better than the NH teams. I hope that makes sense.

Posted 06:31 19th June 2012

kiwilad says...

Pog Mahone, Was Israel Daggs infringement really worthy of a yellow card.? Cuts both ways

Posted 04:34 19th June 2012

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